Michael ([info]ikilled007) wrote,
@ 2008-05-03 16:46:00
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Sicily, Some Thoughts At Two Months
Well, I've been living here in Sicily for about two months now, and while some of you consider me to be a tourist, I assure you I expect this to be my home until the good Lord sees fit to call me back. I have complaints about life here, of course, and if I didn't have certain advantages which other immigrants don't, I likely would have many more. While I won't delve into too much detail, those include a very cush job, an ability to understand the language, wealth, and being connected. I wouldn't recommend this move for most of you. Sicily is a nice place to visit, but you don't want to move here without knowing people. Case in point:
We were at dinner a few weeks back at one of our favorite restaurants, Ramona's, and a young man (early 30s) dressed in a coat and tie sitting near us overheard Crys and I speaking in English. He politely interrupted us and told us he was an American who visits Sicily every year for a couple of months and that he and his sister were trying to start a television station in Brolo or someplace nearby. He works in television production and his sister works in movie production and he figured there was a demand for programming here and so on. He lamented to us that he had never seen such bureaucracy as he has since encountered. Waiting for hours to talk to people whom he isn't convinced even exist. Trying to get licensed. Told to va a Roma (go to Rome) with his complaints. We listened and feigned sympathy, but we had heard how things work here from Crystal's manager who told us that Americans come to Sicily thinking they have a great idea but they run into stiff resistance. In this case, we surmised that one of the families in Brolo probably owned and operated a television station and didn't want competition, so they likely invented a licensing procedure out of thin air and started running this guy around until he gave up. Which he did, by the way. It was great seeing the application of the principle with our own eyes.

Now I know this doesn't sound like some Libertopia or Ancapistan, and to be sure, it isn't. But it's also not Bezerkeley or Taxachusetts. Families run the show here, not governments, and so one form of tyrrany has been replaced by another. Yet...

The tyranny here is more tolerable because it's unobtrusive. No one is in your shit. You are left alone as long as you don't rock the boat. There's plenty of room for progress, and not all of it is managed. But what there is no room for is crime and decay. You will show honor and respect to your fellow citizen or you will be outcast or worse. But like all tyrannies, even more tolerable ones, there are significant downsides.

In Sicily, things move slowly when they move at all. If you want to build a house, it might take 18 months to 2 years. Want to get internet? 3 weeks to a month. Want to meet with people to discuss business? Domani (tomorrow). Everything is domani here. Domani domani domani. You need to get up and get started at 8am if you have shit to do, because everything shuts down around noon and doesn't reopen until 4ish if it reopens at all. You do NOT want to go to the bank. Transactions that take 30 seconds in the US take 2 days here. Cashing a check? Come in at 8am, grab a number, leave, go run errands, come back at 4:30pm and hope you get seen. I am quite certain the Louisiana DMV based its operations on the Sicilian banking industry. Of course, this kind of stuff is predicated on not being connected. If you have friends in high places whose parents were friends with the parents of people you need to meet with and so forth, then you get shit done at a pace similar to the pace in the US.

And then there are the half-built structures all over the island. Many people mistakenly assume that mafia funds-siphoning is responsible for this, but I have it on good authority that building permits expire before construction gets finished in many cases which causes construction to cease pending another permit.

Some things work better, some worse, but the quality of life is definitely better than the US. For one thing, there is no crime. No robberies. No rapes. No carjackings. No muggings. No nothing. What there are are infrequent but targeted murders between rival families; these flair up and then cease, flair up and cease. Bystanders don't fear these "wars", but they are dangerous for the participants, obviously.

Point being, if you're raising a child and have a hot model significant other and want to live in a safe, secure, self-sufficient family-oriented environment with great food and a relaxed lifestyle and beautiful landscapes and stunning beaches, Sicily is the place to do it. But it ain't perfect. But nothing is.

More later.


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[info]octal
2008-05-03 02:51 pm UTC (link)
It would also seem like a pretty good place to live while doing a purely online business remotely.

I guess it's a lot like larger caribbean islands, except with good quality of life.

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[info]ernunnos
2008-05-03 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Boy, if only there were a place where the common man could enjoy all the efficiency of being connected, and none of the crime. Can you imagine what hundreds of millions of productive, happy, safe people could accomplish? I'll bet they'd rule the world.

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[info]marieoroumania
2008-05-03 03:54 pm UTC (link)
HA HA HA HA.

I was going to say, I don't begrudge you a second of this happiness, but I find it very funny that the place that seems to best align with your libertarian values is in a country whose ruling party has Socialist right in the name.

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[info]kylebee
2008-05-03 09:32 pm UTC (link)
They can call themselves socialists, but if they don't do anything, that's a huge improvement on what we have.

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[info]ikilled007
2008-05-04 09:11 pm UTC (link)
Sicily rules Italy, that's the first thing you learn here. And Sicily is ruled by several families. Politics is a distraction. It's hard for Americans to understand this.

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[info]marieoroumania
2008-05-04 10:18 pm UTC (link)
I was teasing you, of course -- I read that essay you posted a few months back. I think it's very on point. But still, I feel it is important to be aware of things that are happening around you so you can keep perspective. Politics -- local, national, global -- are a tiny piece of that.

By the way, I was just advised by one of my money-minded coworkers to buy silver. He said before the U.S. economy goes completely belly-up we're going to see hyperinflation.

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[info]ikilled007
2008-05-04 09:09 pm UTC (link)
Look. Sicily sucks. I get it. It's a living hell. It can't compare to Arizona.

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[info]mahogany
2008-05-03 04:20 pm UTC (link)
I think I recall your making a reference to homeschooling at one point way, way back before you even knew that you were expecting.

It sounds like either you work from home, or your job is uber flexible, as is Crystal's. Is that still the plan, or are the two of you looking into schooling options in Sicily? Are there significant numbers of homeschoolers?

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[info]chuckles48
2008-05-03 04:33 pm UTC (link)
I was thinking about this, and I realized that this whole bit really illuminated why you're so comfortable there, and why you think it works so well. I mean, I'm not going to ding the gorgeous environment, the food, or the rest.

But I realized that it's all about the familiar environment. You're a native Louisiana boy (or close enough as makes no never mind). And, coming from one of the top 3 corrupt states in the US, of COURSE a place that operates the same way, without the petty-crime annoyances and is otherwise idyllic would seem great.

Never mind that your story about the annoying Americans perfectly illustrates the lack of rule of law in Sicily. No, it's not the Mafia (big M, organized crime). It's the familial corruption. And it's what you're used to. Equal opportunity under the law? Nope. Equal protection? Nope. Who you know and whose palm you grease? All day long.

Thank you. This has been most educational and illuminating.

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[info]tybuc
2008-05-03 06:21 pm UTC (link)
Equal opportunity under the law? Nope. Equal protection? Nope. Who you know and whose palm you grease? All day long.

How pray tell does this work differently in the other 47 less corrupt states in the US mind you?

The difference is simple. It's governments of scale. A small tight knit government can at least keep the peace in a direct manner even if it's oppressive. A huge bureaucracy that refuses to delegate authority to the local enforcement has no idea what will be effective even if it tries to be beneficial. At some point the frustration of being unable to do any good due to retarded mandates squeezes all the competent people out of local government and the allure of power makes the most desperate and power hungry seek the big positions. Welcome to the last decade.

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[info]phanatic
2008-05-03 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Welcome to the last decade.

Yeah, it's purely recent. Nobody was saying that sort of thing 20 years ago, or 40, or 60, or 100. We, right now, have it worse than ever before. We're special that way.

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[info]tybuc
2008-05-03 07:32 pm UTC (link)
Yeah good thinking smart guy.

Why don't you read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

What pray tell do you think would happen if a league of small companies decided to expel and harass a bunch of auditors citing an "unfair tax?" The SWAT teams would come in and swarm their property in about two hours, and if anyone tried to impede them they'd be looking at 10-20 years easy. Do you think it's a coincidence that shit like this stopped happening to Google after they went from a $0 lobbying budget to a multimillion dollar one in one year?

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[info]chuckles48
2008-05-04 01:05 am UTC (link)
Ah, to be young, and know it all.

"What pray tell do you think would happen if a league of small companies decided to expel and harass a bunch of auditors citing an "unfair tax?"" Well, perhaps something like this. At least, based on the historical examples.

As to Google, you might want to get your facts straight.

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[info]ikilled007
2008-05-04 09:14 pm UTC (link)
I come from the most corrupt city in the most corrupt state in the US. Don't for one second compare Sicily to New Orleans or Louisiana. It's corrupt here, but in a much different way. You'd have to read Hoppe's Democracy: the God That Failed to get a good idea of the differences between how things work here and how they work in Louisiana.

As for the example I gave, there are benefits to keeping out people you don't want, wouldn't you agree?

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[info]madbard
2008-05-03 05:06 pm UTC (link)
Fascinating analysis. How did you learn all this stuff? I assume it's not in the travel brochures.

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[info]fitfool
2008-05-04 12:30 am UTC (link)
Do you speak Italian? Or do you mean you have a translator with you? Or that you're working with other English speakers? Sounded like you knew Italian but I wasn't sure. How did you end up in Sicily anyhow? Was there a post explaining that?

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[info]blorky
2008-05-04 09:00 pm UTC (link)
So let me get this straight - if you have a great job, wealth, and connections everyplace Sicily is a great place to live?

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[info]ikilled007
2008-05-04 09:07 pm UTC (link)
Note: NO CRIME. NONE. Self-sufficiency.

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